Comments on: The Kingdom of God (part 4 of 4 – Binding & Loosing) http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/15 Living close enough to the edge to matter... Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:41:31 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Chris L. http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/15/comment-page-1#comment-14707 Chris L. Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:41:31 +0000 http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/?p=15#comment-14707 I would suggest, from my own study of the topic, that in passing it to the "D"isciples, that they had the power to pass it on as well - and that Paul's defining eldership was the method of doing so. I would suggest, from my own study of the topic, that in passing it to the “D”isciples, that they had the power to pass it on as well – and that Paul’s defining eldership was the method of doing so.

]]> By: Tim http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/15/comment-page-1#comment-14565 Tim Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:27:45 +0000 http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/?p=15#comment-14565 "Pretty good analysis until you gave the power to bind and loose to church leaders. Specifically he gave it to the disciples. This is the most specific and direct authority for the teaching of the disciples to be canonized." I asumme from your statement, that when you say "disciples" you mean the "Big D" Disciples, who later became the Apostles. That is one perspective, but if you go that route, when does what Jesus say to his disciples apply ONLY to the Disciples (Big D) and not to all of his disciples (the rest of us)? And how do you know? How does the "Great Commission" fit in with your hermeneutic? “Pretty good analysis until you gave the power to bind and loose to church leaders.
Specifically he gave it to the disciples. This is the most specific and direct authority for the teaching of the disciples to be canonized.”

I asumme from your statement, that when you say “disciples” you mean the “Big D” Disciples, who later became the Apostles.

That is one perspective, but if you go that route, when does what Jesus say to his disciples apply ONLY to the Disciples (Big D) and not to all of his disciples (the rest of us)? And how do you know? How does the “Great Commission” fit in with your hermeneutic?

]]> By: Bob Jones http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/15/comment-page-1#comment-6218 Bob Jones Sun, 08 Jul 2007 12:08:52 +0000 http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/?p=15#comment-6218 Pretty good analysis until you gave the power to bind and loose to church leaders. Specifically he gave it to the disciples. This is the most specific and direct authority for the teaching of the disciples to be canonized. Paul was missing from the crowd, so Peter specifically endorses his writing as scripture later. Practice in the church had been bound and loosed by the disciples and their decisions are contained in the canon. A proper interpretation concerning slaves is: Christ never addresses the world system of authority or political structure other than to say that they are to be just and restrain the behavior of evil doers. So the political system that permits or forbids slavery is never at issue. He addresses His Kingdom rules. If you are a master in a world system that allows masters, treat your slaves like you would want to be treated. The ultimate love would be to release them. If you are a slave in a system that permits it, then treat your master like you would want to be treated. How we engage in politics to change on earthly system into another is a whole different conversation. But Jesus doesn't take dead things and freshen them up. He creates them new. Pretty good analysis until you gave the power to bind and loose to church leaders.
Specifically he gave it to the disciples. This is the most specific and direct authority for the teaching of the disciples to be canonized. Paul was missing from the crowd, so Peter specifically endorses his writing as scripture later.

Practice in the church had been bound and loosed by the disciples and their decisions are contained in the canon.

A proper interpretation concerning slaves is: Christ never addresses the world system of authority or political structure other than to say that they are to be just and restrain the behavior of evil doers. So the political system that permits or forbids slavery is never at issue.

He addresses His Kingdom rules. If you are a master in a world system that allows masters, treat your slaves like you would want to be treated. The ultimate love would be to release them. If you are a slave in a system that permits it, then treat your master like you would want to be treated.

How we engage in politics to change on earthly system into another is a whole different conversation. But Jesus doesn’t take dead things and freshen them up. He creates them new.

]]> By: CRN.Info and Analysis http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/15/comment-page-1#comment-772 CRN.Info and Analysis Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:52:18 +0000 http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/?p=15#comment-772 [...] Aside from Ken’s predeliction for esoteric terminology (neo-this and hollow-that), this is just another example of contextomy. In this section of Velvet Elvis, Bell is discussing the First Century practice of “binding and loosing“, that is the practice of church or synagogue leaders forbidding (”binding”) or permitting (”loosing”) specific practices or interpretations based upon the community’s understanding/interpretation of scripture. [...] [...] Aside from Ken’s predeliction for esoteric terminology (neo-this and hollow-that), this is just another example of contextomy. In this section of Velvet Elvis, Bell is discussing the First Century practice of “binding and loosing“, that is the practice of church or synagogue leaders forbidding (”binding”) or permitting (”loosing”) specific practices or interpretations based upon the community’s understanding/interpretation of scripture. [...]

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