Banned from SliceWow – I guess some Christians are unable to stomach well-reasoned disagreement and debate with their positions.

I’ve officially been ‘banned’ from commenting to posts on Slice of Laodicea .

Since they (Ken, I’m assuming) have given no explanation, I guess I will have to supply my own supposition.

Slice really prefers those who dissent from their narrow view of orthodoxy to do so in a manner they can easily mock or correct (gimme a softball, Jane!)

On the other hand, when those who dare to disagree with Slice, do so in a clomid online, zithromax reviews. logical fashion, their posts often disappear into the ether.A?A? Apparently, ignoring just isn’t good enough for me :)

The Events at Hand

This morning, just before starting work, I pulled up Slice read Ken Silva’s newest anti-Rob Bell rehash, A Question for Rob Bell, and its accompanying link to Ken’s long-form blather.A?A? Apparently undeterred from his thorough drubbing at Verum Serum this past weekend, Ken blythly continued, undeterred inA?A?his misguided attemptA?A?to repaint Rob Bell as a spiritual pedophile.

In response, here is the exact post I submitted:

Ken, You quote Luke:

Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for their fathers used to treat the false prophets in the same way.

With you, ENo & others as outspoken critics, I suppose it is a blessing for Mr. Bell that there are those like you out there, lest he fall into the camp of false prophets. As for the content of your article, Mr. Bell is referring to the doctrine of binding and loosing, referenced in Matthew 16:19 and 18:18

I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

and applied multiple times by Paul and by the early Church fathers (example: Acts 15). Mr. Bell did not come up with this, as it has been understood in the Messianic Christian church for some time and has been confirmed in scholarly journals and books. For an overview of the concept, I’ve clomid tablets buy, clomid reviews. blogged on the subject, as well. In your most recent article, you’re not only prooftexting the Bible, but Mr. Bell’s words, as well – taking them to an extreme not intended. Were I Mr. Bell (and I am not), I would pray the prayer of David in Psalm 38, which includes: Those who repay my good with evil slander me when I pursue what is good.

O LORD, do not forsake me; be not far from me, O my God.

Ken, you’ve created for anyone who desires to go into ministry a lose-lose proposition – if they have a large following, they must have watered down the Word. If they have a good reputation and are spoken well of, they must be false prophets. If they disagree with your narrowly defined, systemic, man-made doctrinal definitions (like sola Scriptura), they’re heretics.

I am thankful that God is God. He is just and merciful, may He be praised.

Nothing more, nothing less.A?A? An hour later, when I checked back, I was banninated (see the pic above).

What Came Before

On Saturday,A?A?I came to a realization some ofA?A?Ken’s readers had picked up on much faster than I hadA?A?(props to Amy, whom Ken won’t even address, from a seeminly misogynistic standpoint – see – Ken so strongly believes he is on a “mission from God” to denounce Bell that he has taken upon himself the same autority as Jesus or Paul (see his use of John 7:24, Matthew 22:29 , I Cor 15:10, I Peter 2:23 in this thread).A?A? In doing so, he has started to exhibit symptoms that some mightA?A?correlate toA?A?a God complex.

Saturday, I had some excellent exchanges with some of Ken’s defenders, and was able to come to a level of agreement (on some topics) and respectful disagreement (on others).A?A? In fact, I had to apologize for stepping over the line and criticizing Ken, the person, instead of his actions/words (which was part of what I was taking him to task for).A?A? Interestingly, Ken immediately jumped on this to ask if I wanted his forgiveness for my legitimate complaints with his methods.A?A? I’ll pass on that one.

Where to Go From Here?

I’ll keep my eye out over at Slice, and when I see something totally over the edge (like Ingrid’s mocking of the Christian Dance Festival last week), I’ll come up with something to post here and expose the legalism alive and well over there.A?A? Maybe some day, they’ll wake up and realize we’re all on the same team…

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.


Followup – I’ve been excommunicated from the Church of Ken.A?A? I just praise the Lord that only He and the elders appointed over each individual congregation have been granted the authority to excommunicate from the one True Church.


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11 Comments so far

  1. Scott on August 28, 2006 7:07 pm

    Dude, my condolences on your banning! You’re kind of like the Amish who break the laws of the community…you’ve been shunned!

    I wonder if Hallmark makes cards for this kind of occasion. If they do, I’ll send you one.

    In the meantime, I promise that you are always welcomed over at Verum Serum!

    Maybe you can get some sort of badge to wear. It could say: “Banned by Reverend Ken” or maybe “I Was Banned By Reverend Ken and Ingrid and All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt!”

    God Bless,


  2. Chris L. on August 28, 2006 8:21 pm

    Thank you, brother!

  3. TheBigFish on August 29, 2006 12:25 am

    Congratulations on your bannination! You’ve joined a long list of brothers and sisters fighting the good fight against legalism and Slice of Laodicea! I’m not banned yet, I suspect only because I don’t comment there much anymore. They have certainly made some valid points, and raised some issues that should be explored, but they routinely take things out of context and twist them to make a point. Yeah, I know, what else is new? On the positive side, it is because of Slice that I found this blog, and I’m glad I’m here!

  4. mrupert22 on August 29, 2006 11:29 am

    I was banned a while back from one IP address. I was surprised that my most recent comments were accepted. They are very quick to ban any dissenting views there. It’s pretty wild that they don’t think the Internet is evil as well, which would prohibit their blogging endeavors…

  5. John on August 29, 2006 5:49 pm

    I like Scott’s suggestion (full discolosure: he’s my friend and fellow blogger). Maybe we should all add a badge to the sidebar of our sites that reads:

  6. TheBigFish on August 30, 2006 1:25 pm

    If and when I am banned, I’ll add it to my MySpace blog (I don’t blog anywhere else at the moment, although I’ve had a few failed attempts).

  7. Julie on September 8, 2006 1:25 pm

    I am in the process of adding the graphic to my web site. I hope you don’t mind. Let me know if you do.

  8. Chris L. on September 8, 2006 2:18 pm

    I’m doing that, as well – I can’t speak for John 100%, but I imagine he would be flattered… (I’m adding it, as well, though I’m still playing with the overall site format so it may take a bit…

  9. Laz on October 4, 2006 5:43 pm

    Hello, my name is Laz and I too have been banned from commenting on the Slice

  10. Chris L. on October 4, 2006 6:14 pm

    Welcome, Laz – Tim, the iMonk and Julie (above) and other visitors to my site are also members of “banned from Slice”… It truly is a badge of honor, I have come to learn…

  11. Sliced Laodicea » Quis custodiet ipsos custodies? on December 22, 2006 12:53 pm

    [...] — Probably the first comment I hear about Slice (after their tone) is their discussion policy, which basically is this: If you agree with the poster, your comment is likely to be approved from moderation. If you disagree with the poster, your comment is most likely to disappear into the ether, unless it can be easily disputed or mocked (and even then, it is most likely to be rejected). Should you persist in your disagreement, you will be banned – or worse. [...]

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