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		<title>By: Chris L.</title>
		<link>http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/40/comment-page-1#comment-105148</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

I wrote the article, pulling from several sources.  What quote are you referring to?</description>
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<p>I wrote the article, pulling from several sources.  What quote are you referring to?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/40/comment-page-1#comment-105141</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you tell me who actually wrote this article plus where you got the quote about shadows from please.

Or was that not a quote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you tell me who actually wrote this article plus where you got the quote about shadows from please.</p>
<p>Or was that not a quote?</p>
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		<title>By: Remez &#124; Steve Corn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remez &#124; Steve Corn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that they could quote a part of a verse knowing that others would recognize the end. According to FishingtheAbyss.com, there are &#8220;30 - 50 (potentially more) remezim of Jesus recorded in the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fishing The Abyss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fishing The Abyss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have discussed this method more in-depth here, if you are interested. Also, you can see a beautiful short video which illustrates Jesusâ€™ use of remez on the cross. Additionally, I am working up a piece on recently published comparison between the Passion events in Mark (the gospel written to the church in Rome) and the sequential events in the coronation of a Caesar - which would have been recognized by the Roman church as a declaration that Jesus, not Caesar, is Lord. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I have discussed this method more in-depth here, if you are interested. Also, you can see a beautiful short video which illustrates Jesusâ€™ use of remez on the cross. Additionally, I am working up a piece on recently published comparison between the Passion events in Mark (the gospel written to the church in Rome) and the sequential events in the coronation of a Caesar &#8211; which would have been recognized by the Roman church as a declaration that Jesus, not Caesar, is Lord. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CRN.Info and Analysis &#187; Misused Scripture of the Day: Weâ€™ll Always Have the Poorâ€¦ (REPOST)</title>
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		<dc:creator>CRN.Info and Analysis &#187; Misused Scripture of the Day: Weâ€™ll Always Have the Poorâ€¦ (REPOST)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As I&#8217;ve discussed on a number of occasions, Jesus was a master rabbinical teacher, using PaRDeS and Parable as his key methods. As such, this teaching contains (at the very least) P&#8217;shat and Remez. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bob Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/40/comment-page-1#comment-4789</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... After sleeping on it, wouldn&#039;t the Tamar::Mary parallel actually be an example of a &quot;Sod&quot;? You would never see Christ in the story of Tamar until you had the &quot;outside information&quot; of the birth of Christ contained in Matthew and Luke. 

Another Sod would be the story of Uzziah, who is also known as Azariah.
        2 Ki 15:3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father Amaziah had done; 

Uzziah was a brave and valiant king whom God blessed and he did nothing wrong::(he who knew no sin) until he entered the tabernacle to offer incense::(incense is a pleasing aroma to the Lord and is reminiscent of the burnt and meat offerings), whereupon he was striken with leprosy (became sin).

Here&#039;s the kicker!!

Guess who the high priest was who confronted Uzziah in the tabernacle? Azariah!!!

        2 Chr 26:20 And Azariah the chief priest, and all the priests, looked upon him, and, behold, he was leprous in his forehead, and they thrust him out from thence; yea, himself hasted also to go out, because the LORD had smitten him. 

Uzziah somehow took the name of Azariah!!! An exchange of identities...

As Uzziah (the king&#039;s name), we know all the details of his sin. As Azariah (the priest&#039;s name), we only know the outline of his life. We know God smote him, but not why. There is some sort of forgetting sin when he is remembered as the priests name. Though He became sin, he was not personally culpable for sin. 

Again, it is knowledge of Christ that reveals the meaning. All the mystery is revealed in Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; After sleeping on it, wouldn&#8217;t the Tamar::Mary parallel actually be an example of a &#8220;Sod&#8221;? You would never see Christ in the story of Tamar until you had the &#8220;outside information&#8221; of the birth of Christ contained in Matthew and Luke. </p>
<p>Another Sod would be the story of Uzziah, who is also known as Azariah.<br />
        2 Ki 15:3 And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that his father Amaziah had done; </p>
<p>Uzziah was a brave and valiant king whom God blessed and he did nothing wrong::(he who knew no sin) until he entered the tabernacle to offer incense::(incense is a pleasing aroma to the Lord and is reminiscent of the burnt and meat offerings), whereupon he was striken with leprosy (became sin).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the kicker!!</p>
<p>Guess who the high priest was who confronted Uzziah in the tabernacle? Azariah!!!</p>
<p>        2 Chr 26:20 And Azariah the chief priest, and all the priests, looked upon him, and, behold, he was leprous in his forehead, and they thrust him out from thence; yea, himself hasted also to go out, because the LORD had smitten him. </p>
<p>Uzziah somehow took the name of Azariah!!! An exchange of identities&#8230;</p>
<p>As Uzziah (the king&#8217;s name), we know all the details of his sin. As Azariah (the priest&#8217;s name), we only know the outline of his life. We know God smote him, but not why. There is some sort of forgetting sin when he is remembered as the priests name. Though He became sin, he was not personally culpable for sin. </p>
<p>Again, it is knowledge of Christ that reveals the meaning. All the mystery is revealed in Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/40/comment-page-1#comment-4760</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 03:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled across the PaRDes without knowing what it was. Thanks, for leading me in a direction to understand what I was seeing.

Here is one of many Drash types I found:

The story of Tamar as a shadow of Mary: 


Tamar:Mary did not have a son by her legitimate husband Shelah::Joseph 

but by his father Judah::God. 

She made herself available at Timnath::the appointed time Luke 1:20. 

Judah::God promised to give Tamar::Mary a kid::scapegoat &quot; for he shall save
his people from their sins.&quot; 

Tamar::Mary asked for an assurance of the promise. 

She was given a signet ring::&quot;called the son of God&quot; 

She was given a staff::&quot;power of God shall over shadow you&quot; 

She was given bracelets::&quot;clean vessel&quot; the Holy Ghost shall come upon you
(There is no unclean thing here...) see Num 19:15 (An empty vessel without
braclets is unclean)
&quot;There was no harlot in this place.&quot; vs &quot; fear not to take unto thee Mary
thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.&quot; 

No one knew who the father was, except her. So she was going to be &quot;put to
death::divorced&quot; 

When the real father Judah::God was discovered, she was honored. 

Tamar::Mary had twins::God-man 

whose names meant &quot;breaking forth - the dawning&quot;::dayspring Luke 1:78 

it goes on... 

If I were a student 

I would outline a thesis like this: 

The Road to Emmaus 

1. Bunnies in the clouds
Most of us have at some time have found images of bunnies or other animals
in the clouds. Since the cloud shape is controlled by temperature, winds and
terrain, we do not place any particular importance upon the shapes we see,
though we may have a moment of delight. If we find a repeating pattern in
the shadows of the texture on a wall or ceiling, we may wonder if the
plasterer intended the design. But when we find a repeating theme in a
written work, we are generally sure of the author&#039;s intention. 


2. God blinded the Israelites
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail
untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in
Christ. 2Co 3:14 

God spoke to the Israelites in shadows so that no man could try to &quot;game&quot;
the prophecy and make himself Messiah. 

3. The law was just a shadow
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image
of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by
year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Heb 10:1 

The law is related to the kingdom of God in the same way that a poster is
related to the circus. It told us what was coming. After the cross, it is a
reminder that the circus didn&#039;t appear by accident, but was scheduled. 

4. The Law Points to Christ
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we
might be justified by faith. Ga 3:24 

The direction of generic, even over-whelming guilt, brought upon us by the
law, is inward. The shadows in the law point to the person of Jesus and the
work of Christ. 

5. All of the Scriptures Speak of Jesus
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all
the scriptures the things concerning himself. Luke 24: 27 

Once we have seen the real bunny, we can see bunnies in the clouds. The
scriptures all speak of Christ. (Exogesis-good, isogesis-bad, vs. IseeJesus - the content of Jesus&#039; sermon on the road to Emmaus.) 

6. The fingerprints of God.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of
God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Pet 1:21 

No man could have intentionally written the shadows into the scripture,
since no one had seen Christ. They are evidence of God&#039;s hand upon the
history, the writing, preservation, and even translation of His word. 

7. Why look for shadows?
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor
standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But
his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day
and night. Psalm 1:1,2 


Meditating on rules and regulations is not likely to produce &quot;delight&quot;. But
finding shadows of Christ in God&#039;s word is like lying in the grass with your
Heavenly Father and looking for bunnies in the clouds. 

8. How to find shadows.
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take
heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and
the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of
the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Pet 1:19-20.
8.1 Read the Bible
8.2 Wonder why the passage is there.
8.3 Meditate and pray on the passage.
8.4 Compare to Christ.
8.5 Verify with scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled across the PaRDes without knowing what it was. Thanks, for leading me in a direction to understand what I was seeing.</p>
<p>Here is one of many Drash types I found:</p>
<p>The story of Tamar as a shadow of Mary: </p>
<p>Tamar:Mary did not have a son by her legitimate husband Shelah::Joseph </p>
<p>but by his father Judah::God. </p>
<p>She made herself available at Timnath::the appointed time Luke 1:20. </p>
<p>Judah::God promised to give Tamar::Mary a kid::scapegoat &#8221; for he shall save<br />
his people from their sins.&#8221; </p>
<p>Tamar::Mary asked for an assurance of the promise. </p>
<p>She was given a signet ring::&#8221;called the son of God&#8221; </p>
<p>She was given a staff::&#8221;power of God shall over shadow you&#8221; </p>
<p>She was given bracelets::&#8221;clean vessel&#8221; the Holy Ghost shall come upon you<br />
(There is no unclean thing here&#8230;) see Num 19:15 (An empty vessel without<br />
braclets is unclean)<br />
&#8220;There was no harlot in this place.&#8221; vs &#8221; fear not to take unto thee Mary<br />
thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.&#8221; </p>
<p>No one knew who the father was, except her. So she was going to be &#8220;put to<br />
death::divorced&#8221; </p>
<p>When the real father Judah::God was discovered, she was honored. </p>
<p>Tamar::Mary had twins::God-man </p>
<p>whose names meant &#8220;breaking forth &#8211; the dawning&#8221;::dayspring Luke 1:78 </p>
<p>it goes on&#8230; </p>
<p>If I were a student </p>
<p>I would outline a thesis like this: </p>
<p>The Road to Emmaus </p>
<p>1. Bunnies in the clouds<br />
Most of us have at some time have found images of bunnies or other animals<br />
in the clouds. Since the cloud shape is controlled by temperature, winds and<br />
terrain, we do not place any particular importance upon the shapes we see,<br />
though we may have a moment of delight. If we find a repeating pattern in<br />
the shadows of the texture on a wall or ceiling, we may wonder if the<br />
plasterer intended the design. But when we find a repeating theme in a<br />
written work, we are generally sure of the author&#8217;s intention. </p>
<p>2. God blinded the Israelites<br />
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail<br />
untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in<br />
Christ. 2Co 3:14 </p>
<p>God spoke to the Israelites in shadows so that no man could try to &#8220;game&#8221;<br />
the prophecy and make himself Messiah. </p>
<p>3. The law was just a shadow<br />
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image<br />
of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by<br />
year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Heb 10:1 </p>
<p>The law is related to the kingdom of God in the same way that a poster is<br />
related to the circus. It told us what was coming. After the cross, it is a<br />
reminder that the circus didn&#8217;t appear by accident, but was scheduled. </p>
<p>4. The Law Points to Christ<br />
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we<br />
might be justified by faith. Ga 3:24 </p>
<p>The direction of generic, even over-whelming guilt, brought upon us by the<br />
law, is inward. The shadows in the law point to the person of Jesus and the<br />
work of Christ. </p>
<p>5. All of the Scriptures Speak of Jesus<br />
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all<br />
the scriptures the things concerning himself. Luke 24: 27 </p>
<p>Once we have seen the real bunny, we can see bunnies in the clouds. The<br />
scriptures all speak of Christ. (Exogesis-good, isogesis-bad, vs. IseeJesus &#8211; the content of Jesus&#8217; sermon on the road to Emmaus.) </p>
<p>6. The fingerprints of God.<br />
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of<br />
God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. 2 Pet 1:21 </p>
<p>No man could have intentionally written the shadows into the scripture,<br />
since no one had seen Christ. They are evidence of God&#8217;s hand upon the<br />
history, the writing, preservation, and even translation of His word. </p>
<p>7. Why look for shadows?<br />
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor<br />
standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But<br />
his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day<br />
and night. Psalm 1:1,2 </p>
<p>Meditating on rules and regulations is not likely to produce &#8220;delight&#8221;. But<br />
finding shadows of Christ in God&#8217;s word is like lying in the grass with your<br />
Heavenly Father and looking for bunnies in the clouds. </p>
<p>8. How to find shadows.<br />
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take<br />
heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and<br />
the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of<br />
the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Pet 1:19-20.<br />
8.1 Read the Bible<br />
8.2 Wonder why the passage is there.<br />
8.3 Meditate and pray on the passage.<br />
8.4 Compare to Christ.<br />
8.5 Verify with scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: Fishing The Abyss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fishing The Abyss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Today, I would like to take a look at a part of Jesusâ€™ last journey to Jerusalem, and at one section of scripture, in particular, that a number of scholars - both Christian and Jewish - believe contains probably the best example of remez ever recorded. Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. He wanted to see who Jesus was, but being a short man he could not, because of the crowd. So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.Â  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Today, I would like to take a look at a part of Jesusâ€™ last journey to Jerusalem, and at one section of scripture, in particular, that a number of scholars &#8211; both Christian and Jewish &#8211; believe contains probably the best example of remez ever recorded. Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through. A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy. He wanted to see who Jesus was, but being a short man he could not, because of the crowd. So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.Â  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fishing The Abyss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fishing The Abyss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As Iâ€™ve discussed on a number of occasions, Jesus was a master rabbinical teacher, using PaRDeS and Parable as his key methods.Â  As such, this teaching contains (at the very least) Pâ€™shat and Remez. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As Iâ€™ve discussed on a number of occasions, Jesus was a master rabbinical teacher, using PaRDeS and Parable as his key methods.Â  As such, this teaching contains (at the very least) Pâ€™shat and Remez. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fishing The Abyss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fishing The Abyss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There is significant evidence from Jesusâ€™ very words that what made him so angry was that people were being kept away from worshipping God. Jesus uses two quotes from the Hebrew Scriptures in a form of remez (a â€˜hintâ€™ that must be interpreted by reading the verses just before or after the quoted scripture). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There is significant evidence from Jesusâ€™ very words that what made him so angry was that people were being kept away from worshipping God. Jesus uses two quotes from the Hebrew Scriptures in a form of remez (a â€˜hintâ€™ that must be interpreted by reading the verses just before or after the quoted scripture). [...]</p>
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