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	<title>Comments on: Mountains from Molehills: Ken Silva Plays Ahab to Rob Bell&#8217;s Moby Dick</title>
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		<title>By: Sliced Laodicea &#187; Mountains from Molehills: Ken Silva Plays Ahab to Rob Bellâ€™s Moby Dick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sliced Laodicea &#187; Mountains from Molehills: Ken Silva Plays Ahab to Rob Bellâ€™s Moby Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 06:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Source: Fishing the Abyss Comments: Ken Silva tries to get maximum mileage out of distorting Rob Bell&#8217;s description of the growth of Mars Hill Church. Chris demonstrates that not only is Ken far from the truth, but also as obsessive as the literary Ahab, with Rob Bell as his Moby Dick&#8230; Memorable Quotes: Apparently, having run out of direct material to misquote, Ken has now sunk to digging through comments in Amazonâ€™s book reviews to try and dig up trash on Rob Bell. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Source: Fishing the Abyss Comments: Ken Silva tries to get maximum mileage out of distorting Rob Bell&#8217;s description of the growth of Mars Hill Church. Chris demonstrates that not only is Ken far from the truth, but also as obsessive as the literary Ahab, with Rob Bell as his Moby Dick&#8230; Memorable Quotes: Apparently, having run out of direct material to misquote, Ken has now sunk to digging through comments in Amazonâ€™s book reviews to try and dig up trash on Rob Bell. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Frueh</title>
		<link>http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/80/comment-page-1#comment-248</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To say that dealing with the numbers at Mars Hill is ridiculous is an understatement. If a person has an issue with Bell it should be exclusively about his teaching, not the number of people that attend and how they may have or may not have stretched the numbers. But this is an example of how difficult it is to get consumed with being a watchdog, and maintaining a strict firewall between doctine and personal attacks.

EVERY person has at some point been disingenuous and less than accurate in some ways, sometimes unknowingly and once in a while knowingly. All of us. Me, Chris, Scott, John, Bell, MacArthur, and yes Ken and Ingrid (that must hurt). And these attacks about church numbers, music styles, and the long list of cultural and non-essentials only serve to obscure real and substantive debate on eternal issues.

And although I have been guilty in the past of some unfortunate hyperbole, I have come to realize that nothing edible comes from overheating Spiritual dialogue. In the end everything gets burned beyond recognition and ultimately poisons us all. And if I do see the truth in some issues as the Spirit intended, it is by His grace and I can boast in nothing but Christ. I have personally refrained from filling my eyes and ears with electronic blogbeams, and much on the blogasphere has ceased to edify. And I hope to continue to speak the TRUTH...oh yeah, in love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say that dealing with the numbers at Mars Hill is ridiculous is an understatement. If a person has an issue with Bell it should be exclusively about his teaching, not the number of people that attend and how they may have or may not have stretched the numbers. But this is an example of how difficult it is to get consumed with being a watchdog, and maintaining a strict firewall between doctine and personal attacks.</p>
<p>EVERY person has at some point been disingenuous and less than accurate in some ways, sometimes unknowingly and once in a while knowingly. All of us. Me, Chris, Scott, John, Bell, MacArthur, and yes Ken and Ingrid (that must hurt). And these attacks about church numbers, music styles, and the long list of cultural and non-essentials only serve to obscure real and substantive debate on eternal issues.</p>
<p>And although I have been guilty in the past of some unfortunate hyperbole, I have come to realize that nothing edible comes from overheating Spiritual dialogue. In the end everything gets burned beyond recognition and ultimately poisons us all. And if I do see the truth in some issues as the Spirit intended, it is by His grace and I can boast in nothing but Christ. I have personally refrained from filling my eyes and ears with electronic blogbeams, and much on the blogasphere has ceased to edify. And I hope to continue to speak the TRUTH&#8230;oh yeah, in love.</p>
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		<title>By: brendt</title>
		<link>http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/80/comment-page-1#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>brendt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 12:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got to &lt;em&gt;Kenâ€™s post is just so petty&lt;/em&gt; in your post, and went and read his. I got no further than &lt;i&gt;Teaching Pastor&lt;/i&gt; in quotes and realized that you are right. Now I&#039;ll go read the rest of both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got to <em>Kenâ€™s post is just so petty</em> in your post, and went and read his. I got no further than <i>Teaching Pastor</i> in quotes and realized that you are right. Now I&#8217;ll go read the rest of both.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/80/comment-page-1#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

No doubt Ken plays this minor story for all it&#039;s worth. Still, you have to appreciate how much better this post is than stuff he was writing just 3 months ago. This post is coherent, written in colloquial English and if I&#039;m not mistaken, free of terms like &quot;the Emergent Church of Deceit&quot;, etc. And in my opinion, Ken made a real attempt to be fair. He noted that his sources were unconfirmed, etc. I honestly didn&#039;t get the sense that he was suggesting there was some sort of cover up going on with the unreturned e-mails, only that he couldn&#039;t get a confirmation prior to publishing his post.

Seriously, this is the most responsible thing I&#039;ve read by Ken. I still think he&#039;s wrong to be attacking Bell, but if he would write sensibly like this more often, without all the wild accusations, it would be a big improvement.

For the record, I don&#039;t think Rob was trying to hide anything the way Ken suggests. As someone who does event promotion at my church, I know that no matter how much you promote or other people promote, you can&#039;t tell until the butts hit the seats. So sure, Rob knew that his old church was encouraging people to leave if they felt like it, he&#039;d still be crazy to expect 1000 people (20% of his old church) to show up. I think his description in VE was just emphasizing the roller coaster ride he was on, not knowing if his little dream would work and then being shocked that so many people came. Either way, it says a lot for his talents as a teacher that so many people went with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>No doubt Ken plays this minor story for all it&#8217;s worth. Still, you have to appreciate how much better this post is than stuff he was writing just 3 months ago. This post is coherent, written in colloquial English and if I&#8217;m not mistaken, free of terms like &#8220;the Emergent Church of Deceit&#8221;, etc. And in my opinion, Ken made a real attempt to be fair. He noted that his sources were unconfirmed, etc. I honestly didn&#8217;t get the sense that he was suggesting there was some sort of cover up going on with the unreturned e-mails, only that he couldn&#8217;t get a confirmation prior to publishing his post.</p>
<p>Seriously, this is the most responsible thing I&#8217;ve read by Ken. I still think he&#8217;s wrong to be attacking Bell, but if he would write sensibly like this more often, without all the wild accusations, it would be a big improvement.</p>
<p>For the record, I don&#8217;t think Rob was trying to hide anything the way Ken suggests. As someone who does event promotion at my church, I know that no matter how much you promote or other people promote, you can&#8217;t tell until the butts hit the seats. So sure, Rob knew that his old church was encouraging people to leave if they felt like it, he&#8217;d still be crazy to expect 1000 people (20% of his old church) to show up. I think his description in VE was just emphasizing the roller coaster ride he was on, not knowing if his little dream would work and then being shocked that so many people came. Either way, it says a lot for his talents as a teacher that so many people went with him.</p>
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		<title>By: The Hungarian Luddite &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Slice of Laodicea, Sliced and Diced and thrown in the compost bucket</title>
		<link>http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/80/comment-page-1#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hungarian Luddite &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Slice of Laodicea, Sliced and Diced and thrown in the compost bucket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 06:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There is a post on the Fishing the Abyss blog dealing with Slice of Laodicea&#8217;s Junior partner Ken Silva and his expose of Rob Bell&#8217;s book Velvet Elvis. Please take the time to visit this excellent blog. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There is a post on the Fishing the Abyss blog dealing with Slice of Laodicea&#8217;s Junior partner Ken Silva and his expose of Rob Bell&#8217;s book Velvet Elvis. Please take the time to visit this excellent blog. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris L.</title>
		<link>http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/80/comment-page-1#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 05:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see such a content-filled reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see such a content-filled reply.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Silva</title>
		<link>http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/archives/80/comment-page-1#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Nov 2006 05:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*shaking my head* 

Absolutely amazing. You seriously need to consider becoming a spin doctor. Brilliant a-logic.</description>
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<p>Absolutely amazing. You seriously need to consider becoming a spin doctor. Brilliant a-logic.</p>
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